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Working Online In Thailand – Getting A Work Permit & Legal Guidelines

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It seems like every other foreigner you meet in Thailand these days is doing some sort of work online.

Whether a retiree managing business affairs back home via email, or a full scale internet marketer working out of cafes and co-working spaces, more and more people are taking advantage of being location independent.

In the last few years, online workers have flooded into Thailand; travel writers, bloggers, web developers, Pay-Per-Click advertising managers, affiliate marketers, poker players, the list goes on.

Let's not also forget the hundreds, if not thousands of movie extras working on tourist visa's too.

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The problem is, the laws pertaining to foreigners working in Thailand were written prior to the growth of the internet, which means that anybody falling into one of the aforementioned categories cannot obtain a work permit that covers the type of work they want to carry out in the Kingdom.

The moment you conduct any type of work online in Thailand, you are breaking the law, period.

As black and white as that may be, even those desperately trying to comply with the law currently can't do so. And here's why…

What Happens When You Try To Legally Work Online In Thailand?

Back in 2009, I wrote a post about working in Thailand, and as part of my research I popped off an email to a well-known Bangkok-based legal firm asking whether a permit was required for a person working online in Thailand for a foreign client.

The response was interesting, and corresponded with the “no one is going to say anything” line people were following at the time. Here is that response:

Thank you for contacting [name undisclosed]

Legally speaking you are required to carry out your tasks with a corresponding WP.  Regardless of the fact that you are doing your job through your laptop. This is because you are earning income whilst you are in Thailand.

At the same time the process of procuring a WP is just complicated as opposed to just doing your thing discreetly.  Logically, thus, I would opt for the latter like more or less what you are doing at the moment.

The most important thing in the end is you have a visa that makes your stay in Thailand legal.

Should you have further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us.

Have a nice day!

This shocked me a little. And so I asked my brother, a lawyer in the UK, what he thought of this stance. His response was:

“I would be very sceptical of a law firm, or lawyer, that actually advises you to break the law. We often point out to clients that what they are doing is against the law and the action they should take to remedy it, but would always stop short of advising them not to do it”.

But as we all know, Thailand was a different place back then. The whole “working online” thing was very new and there were no legal guidelines specifically covering this area.

Having spoken to a fair few people working online in Thailand over the years, I've discovered that I'm not the only person to receive this response.

In fact, law firms have been giving out this advice for a number of years, because they themselves have been waiting for the law to catch up with and regulate this modern way of working.

Fast forward to 2014 and the issue has still not been addressed. And just as the aforementioned legal firm stated, “the process of procuring a WP is just complicated as opposed to just doing your thing discreetly”.

However, some would argue that the law doesn't need an ‘online worker' inclusion, because it already provides a clear definition of what working in Thailand means:

Alien (or foreigner): a natural person who is not of Thai nationality. Work: engaging in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits.

This definition is very broad, catching in its net all forms of work. Technically, even if you're staying in a hotel for a week on a tourist visa, sending a few work-related emails each day is against the law.

So How Can I Obtain A Permit To Work Online In Thailand?

Here's where it gets problematic.

Foreigners cannot set up as a sole trader or limited company with one employee (you). To obtain a work permit, other than through an employer, you need to set up a Thai company.

The requirements for this are a minimum of 4 thai employees per foreigner, a 51% holding Thai partner who isn't included in the 4 employee quota, 2 million Baht business capital and a business premises.

Not really a solution for a guy who sends a few emails a day from a cafe, is it?

You can't convert a tourist visa to a work permit, either. You must enter Thailand with a non-immigrant business visa and have a prospective employer.

The employer will then file an application for a Work Permit on your behalf with the Alien Occupational Control Division. If you are employed outside of Bangkok, this will be applied for at the local Provincial Office of Employment

Are There Any Plans To Change The Law?

The relevant authorities have been aware of people working online inside Thailand for many years. It is likely that for the most part a blind eye has been given for three key reasons:

  1. The cost involved in developing legal guidelines and an alternative work permit for those working online couldn't be justified against the low volume of online workers.
  2. It would require considerable resources to investigate each person suspected of working online, and in many cases would be difficult to prove.
  3. Where does one draw the line? You can't penalize a person on a 6-month tourist visa who sends 6 emails a day, and then not penalize a person on a 30-day tourist visa who sends 3 emails a day.

The fact is, new legislation needs to be put in place, with a special work permit developed for those working online. The current law then needs to be amended to include an exception for those needing to send urgent work emails while on holiday.

Are You In Danger Of Being Arrested Or Fined?

Unless you've been hiding under a rock for the past six months, you'll know that the NCPO (The National Council For Peace & Order) has instructed immigration to crack down on illegal workers. This has largely been focussed on persistent visa runners, obtaining in-out tourist visas and then working illegally for companies inside Thailand.

It's important to note that this crackdown was prompted by the number of illegal tour operators and guides working in Thailand, not those working independently or for companies outside of Thailand. The NCPO cited Russian, Korean, and Chinese nationals as the main culprits illegally earning money from the Thai tourism industry.

Rumour has it that the NCPO is getting around to looking at work law and considering how they might legalize online work and tax it accordingly, but as you imagine, they have their hands pretty full right now with other pressing matters.

But for now, know that there is no exception. If you are working in Thailand without a work permit, then you will be subject to the following prosecution:

A foreigner who engages in work without having the work permit for it shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of not exceeding 5 years or to a fine from THB 2,000 to 100,000 or both.

I Don't Want To Work Illegally – What Can I Do?

There are two things you should do immediately.

The first is acquaint yourself fully with the law. Understand what the current legal guidelines are and exactly where you stand.

You can read the latest law concerning foreigners working in Thailand here:

**Note: there is not one reference to “web” or “online” in this document.

The second thing you should do is speak with a reputable lawyer and seek legal advice. At least that way, should you be accused of working illegally, you can at the very least prove that you have actively been trying to get a permit to cover the type of work you do. Make sure you keep all correspondence between yourself and the law firm.

In Summary

It doesn't matter whether you are working for a Dot Com based outside of Thailand, or whether your ISP or VPN is based in the US or Europe. It doesn't matter whether you pay tax in another country, or whether you get paid for your work or not, if you are conducting an activity that falls under Thailand's legal definition of ‘work', then you are working illegally.

Hopefully the authorities will soon create a category for online workers that enables them to remain in Thailand and pay a local tax.

With only 2.5 million tax payers in Thailand, this will be of great benefit to the economy, and would be far more profitable than spending Thai taxpayers' money to investigate and deport those working online.

Recently been given legal advice about working online in Thailand? Share your experience below.

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  1. Hello. I am an artist selling my stuff internationally via Internet. Russian women of 57. Would be silly to bury long list of my skills if other can earn living on it. And artists never stop their work. What can I do for Thailands kids and their parents in such life situation? Would love to teach what I do myself.

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    • Hi Irene, do you mean you would like to teach art? I’m not sure how you’d get into that at state level. Private schools might employ a foreign art teacher with an art degree. One way would be to do a TEFL teaching course, and then apply to teach kids at a state school and perhaps offer to hold after school art classes. Art might feature in the current curriculum but I’m not sure how much. You might look into volunteer work too, if you don’t need a salary.

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      • Actually not. My art work contains many skills I can teach kids and their parents. Not necessarily they will be artists. But they can manufacturer or create commercial items for sale. And I can teach them market, Internet market, buhgaltery. I don’t have special education but rich experience. And of course I don’t want to be paid. But doing this volunteer work I cannot stop create and sell mine. Do I need work permit for such activity? Thank you.

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  3. Hi The Thailand Life.com,

    Thank you very much for writing this informative article. You wrote that unless you have been hiding under a rock for the past 6 months, then you should know that the NCPO has ordered the immigration authorities to Crack Down on illegal workers in Thailand. You are right that I was aware of this crack down. However, I was just wondering what your sources for this information are? Were there many articles written about this in the Thai newspapers, like the “Bangkok Post”, or…?? I definitely believe what you have written here, so could you please tell me the sources of your information??

    Thank you very much for posting this informative article,

    I highly appreciate that,

    Take care,

    Steven

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    • It referred to a crackdown at the time by the new regime, which was heavily covered in both Thai and foreign media. They wanted to put an end to in-out visa runs and illegal workers. Of course, “crackdowns” are nothing new and they are always cracking down on something, but this did impact the rules in terms of not being allowed to do back-to-back visa runs to get a 30-day in-out stamp.

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    • Hi The Thailand Life.com,

      Thank you for responding back to me so quickly. I am a retired man living here in Thailand legally on a retirement visa. I am certainly not doing any other work “under the table” here in Thailand. However, I realize that there are numerous people who are teaching illegally here in Thailand. By “teaching illegally”, I simply mean the many foreigners who are teaching without a proper work permit and work permit visa here in Thailand. These foreigners are usually teaching under a tourist visa, or a retirement visa, etc…. I was simply wondering just what the penalty would be if one of these foreigners got caught doing this type of activity? I have searched the Internet to try to find examples of foreigners who have been arrested for teaching illegally in Thailand, and I can’t seem to find any cases of this happening in the past. Could you please give me the names of some articles on the Internet where foreigners have been arrested from doing illegal teaching work?? I am interested in knowing just what penalty was given to them for doing this from the Thai authorities. If you could provide me with any information regarding this topic, then I would highly appreciate it.

      Thank you for your time,

      Take care,

      Steven

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  4. I think its very difficult to stay in Thailand sometimes as the guidelines are always changing and every office or article seems to say something different. The law seems to change to suit them moreso than for us to follow a strict set of guidelines. And even if you manage to get a work permit, the amount of documents and papers are enough to scare a company away.

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  6. Unfortunately, the problem is much, much more complicated than this.

    Take the following examples:

    1) A person lives in Thailand by renting out their apartment back in their home country on AirBNB.

    Is that online work?

    2) A person lives in Thailand by earning passive income on a series of evergreen websites or AppStore apps developed long ago and outside of Thailand.

    Is that online work?

    3) A person lives in Thailand on the revenue generated from their business/restaurant/bar in another country — which they no longer manage but remain in the loop via email.

    Is that online work?

    4) A person lives in Thailand on the revenue generated by stock trading on his US based E*Trade account.

    Is that online work?

    The problem is this: The word “online work” is ridiculous. All 4 of the above examples are clearly examples of revenue generated from *business assets outside of Thailand*. But the occasional management work (which may be less than an hour a month) could constitute “online work” by the definitions of the Thai government.

    I’m sorry, but if I own $2 million worth of condominiums in Miami (I don’t, I’m just saying), and I book them out at 2 week intervals using AirBNB, I am not “generating my income in Thailand”.

    We live in a world of passive income streams where millions of people generate recurring revenue on fixed assets.

    This is **universally true** of retirees in Thailand who generate their income largely from real estate holdings, annuities and equity markets.

    The reason this law isn’t enforced isn’t because the Thai Police have “better things to do”.

    It’s because the law is patently ridiculous and unenforceable. As soon as you go down the path of calling “management of foreign assets using the Internet”, “online work” then you’ve basically banned every retiree from Thailand and a major percentage of tourists.

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    • You are right and wrong. Right in every example you give, but wrong in why the police don’t take action.

      They have categorically stated in the past that they will not arrest people for online work because they do not consider it illegal. The antiquated work permit rules do not take in to account the modern digital world. Until they rewrite the law, or create a digital nomad visa of sorts, things will continue as normal.

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      • Hi,
        Just wondering if you have reference to a newspaper article or government website, etc where as you state… “They (the police) have categorically stated in the past that they will not arrest people for online work because they do not consider it illegal.”
        I would love to see this in writing from an “official” source.
        Thanks, Paul.

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        • I don’t have a link to a source. This is in reference to the case in Chiang Mai a couple of years back — widely covered on the news, in which the police released a statement — where a workspace was raided and a bunch of freelancers arrested for working without permits. They were let go within hours because they were found to be doing nothing illegal.

          While they were working on their laptops, they were not not working for Thai companies and not being paid by anyone in Thailand. The tip off the police got was that they were either working for the workspace or companies in Thailand without permits.

          They didn’t have permits, but as I’ve mentioned before the outdated law does not cover the internet age and remote working so it is very difficult for the police to pursue a charge. That said, don’t think for a minute that immigration wouldn’t choose to interpret the law in a way that they saw fit.

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    • Passive Income is not working, this is income from efforts of work already completed. I’m in the process of setting up a number of passive income streams before moving to Thailand.

      The Thai Law says “Alien (or foreigner): a natural person who is not of Thai nationality. Work: engaging in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits.”

      You are neither using knowledge or exerting energy when it’s passive.

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      • True, but nearly all passive income requires some maintenance work. For example, even a person who rents out a property back home and receives an income from it still has to send emails to the property letting company, or liaise with their accountant on Skype. Or a person who owns a website still has to update things on the site, reply to emails, pay a developer to do work, etc. I take your point, and I’m not saying you can’t do it, but do be aware that there is no stipulation for “passive income” under the current law pertaining to foreigners working in or from Thailand.

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        • Agree, nearly all, so to help your readers, this is what I did and the advantages are two-fold-
          I have set-up a Belize corporation, which I am not shown as the Director of as nominee Directors are in place, and those Directors are based within Nevada, USA. and the associated bank account is with Barclays Seychelles.

          This provides not only a tax free legal environment but also complete off hands management as all my affairs are managed so I dont have to and my annual ‘maintenance’ review is conducted outside of Thailand by myself holidaying to conduct this.

          Of course one needs to establish a reliable Financial and regulated advisor, as my example is just that, an example of what i’ve achieved.

          This sort of set-up starts at $13,000, but is tax free so pays for itself and also provides for a level of anonymity and asset protection.

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          • Okay, but that means you won’t be paying any tax in Thailand or in your native country. So what will you be contributing to pay for your use of public services, or for the disadvantaged in society? This is what tax is used for. I could have done something similar. In fact, I could have been non-domicile in my country and set up offshore to avoid tax in Thailand, but instead I choose to pay the full rate of tax in my home country. Why? Because it helps pay for the hospital service, schooling and public services I have used over the years and will continue to do so when i am in the country. It pays the salaries of nurses, soldiers and others who I may need to protect my life. I don’t want to pay more tax, and certainly tax could be lower with a more efficient government, but I don’t want to avoid paying tax because that is immoral.

            Anyway…be careful though. In the UK, if you do as you are doing, you will still face taxation when you bring the money you have earned into the country. This is something people overlook. You can stash your money offshore, but the moment you need to bring money into a country like the UK, it becomes eligible for taxation. Ask any accountant and they will tell you this is the case. Earning the money and avoiding tax is the easy part; accessing the money is not so easy, especially if you want to transfer it to a bank account in your home country.

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  7. Hi Peter, great post.

    I work for a small software company set up through the BOI, and I’ve had a work permit with them for several years. For various reasons I’m considering leaving the company and taking on freelance jobs through contacts in the UK and Thailand.

    At our WP/visa renewal recently we managed to get 2 year extensions (previously they would only grant 1 year at a time), and I’m reluctant to throw this away. Do you know what happens to the WP when I quit my company? Do they immediately have to notify the BOI / immigration, and in effect cancel my entitlement to stay and work?

    If this is the case, I’m considering offering a deal to my employer whereby I stay on their books, bill my clients through them and offer them a cut of the income. In this deal I imagine my clients would become their clients, and my salary becomes completely variable depending on the payments received that month.

    I found this company Iglu offering something similar (for a rather hefty 30% commission) – do you know anything about them or have any opinion on what I’m considering? To be honest I don’t know much about the rules of payroll and taxation, and indeed the legality of this.

    As you can probably understand I’m quite reluctant to give up the work permit and visa status I have right now – I’m settled here, I’m happy to pay tax on my income, and the thought of starting to do visa runs etc. does not appeal!

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    • On the first point: They will most likely notify the BOI and, once your WP is cancelled, you have 7 days I believe before you have to leave the country and either get a new visa or re-enter as a tourist.

      Your offer sounds feasible, whether they’ll go for it I have no idea. That Iglu thing is insane; I’ve never come across it. Personally it seems like madness to give away 30% of your profit and have your clients billed by another firm — essentially taking your earnings and taking over (partly) your client base. And for what? The privilege of a work permit? Why not just enroll at a Thai school on an ED visa and go twice a week for an hour, and do your work as a “digital nomad”.

      rumours are that a digital nomad visa isn’t far off in the making anyway. The authorities know there are tons of people working remotely and not adhering to the double tax treaties in place between their home countries and Thailand. This won’t last long…

      That’s just my opinion though.

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    • This announcement came after a group of foreign nationals were arrested after a raid on a co-working space in Chiang Mai. This initially sent a shockwave through the digital workers community, until they were let go some hours later with no charge. The reality is that technically it is illegal but the work permit law is so outdated that it doesn’t cover this way of location-independent working. This makes it impossible to apply the law to digital nomads. In 2015 there was talk of a special visa for digital nomads, but nothing materialised. I spoke to a Thai lawyer about this recently and his advice was to still be cautious because it is up to the government and police how they see fit to apply this law. So in short, their view of this type of work could change from year-to-year, or even month-to-month.

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  10. A little confused on this Article. So this is basically for those who are internet marketers or doing other online business as well as traders who wants to do their own work in Thailand for a long-term visa?

    I mean even i come in as Social Visit pass, i still can do continue to do them in anywhere from comfortable cafe or even in beaches. Even if i claim to travel for holiday despite only have about a month to be in this kingdom, at most likely i pretty much done in enjoying the kingdom land and would ready to go back home to take some break. Since i still can come back again for another month in the future right?

    So i kinda confused about if it is totally okay to do my own things like doing my homework, college project, online trading, internet marketing as a Social Visiter?

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    • Strictly speaking the law does not allow anyone to work inside Thailand without a work permit. That said, no one is going to be arrested for sending some work-related emails or checking their stocks online while on holiday. Working online is a grey area and something not specifically outlined in the current law.

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  11. back in 2006 I was living in Thailand and looked into the 51% company structure. I found a book about the legalities of setting up business in Thailand. In one chapter I read that you really have to have a Thai national, as a partner, that you can TRUST. I think this is actually the biggest hurdle. That was enough to put me off.

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    • Hi Derek, historically foreigners have gained control of Thai companies by using the nominee shareholder loophole – which has actually been illegal since 1999, something the Ministry of Commerce and Tourism Authority of Thailand are trying to get the government to clamp down on. Under this loophole, foreigners own just 49%, with the other 51% owned by a group of token nominees set up by the lawyer creating the company. Personally I would not enter an arrangement like that. But that said, the BOI (Board of Investment) now allow foreigners to set up and own 100% of a company now if falls in one of a handful of specific industry categories. For example, i now a couple of guys who have started tech-related industries under the BOI and own 100%.

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    • I doubt it is at the moment considering what it going on politically. I think things will just stay as they are until at some point in the future under a stable government with a forward-thinking vision a visa/permit is developed specifically for this case.

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  13. I think it’s time to move to another more welcoming country. To even think I might get busted for working illegally whilst buying stock, or writing, or whatever on my computer – with money going to another country even, is ridiculous. Thailand has changed; certainly not the land of smiles I once knew.

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    • I think you’re pretty safe Terry. There is still no real clarification around working online, but since those arrests (where the guys were let go) nothing has happened and is unlikely to. There’s always a new “crackdown”. Right now they are focussed on outlawing booze within 300 metres of educational establishments.

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    • Ridiculous or not, Thailand is far from alone in this respect. Most countries around the world have similar laws about working.

      The UK is notoriously strict about this–much more than Thailand, which is generous to foreigners in comparison–and I haven’t read as many accounts about the US, but I have no doubt it’s the same.

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  14. I mention the ED visa because that’s how the majority of people circumvent the law, obviously you gotta follow the rules and actually be able to speak Thai to pull it off for a decade or more. The lack of laws regarding digital nomads is there because you really shouldn’t be doing it. I don’t know about most countries but USA and Australia you can’t do it either because the citizens wouldn’t want a tide of immigrants coming to live without a contribution.

    In the USA you would need a million bucks and employ 10+ staff for a few years much less than what Thailand requires. If someone is going to call themselves a digital nomad then be one and spend your life bouncing around countries otherwise have a valid visa to be in the country, ED//marriage/work/retirement etc.

    Why is there no allowances? Because you shouldn’t really be doing it.

    I believe Immigration has Thai people’s best interest at heart, I’m from Australia and I wouldn’t want a bunch of fresh immigrants coming to live indefinitely in my country without contributing something (like starting a business and employing four people). It’s only fair.

    it’s selfish of people to think that Thailand owes them the ability to live here indefinitely without hassle and without contribution, believe me marrying a Thai lady is a huge contribution! lol But jokes aside that’s the real deal, and no matter how many of those Thai Visa people say that digital nomads bring in enormous amounts of money to the economy is total BS. Most of these people earn less than a few thousand a month and those who earn more aren’t spending millions of baht a month here monthly either.

    If the sex industry in Thailand is worth 3% of the economy what percentage of the economy would make up the total contributed by digital nomads? it’s such a miniscule amount compared to direct investment. Why should someone with a laptop working in their 5000 baht a month apartment getting by on 30k a month have the same privilege than someone who invests a million dollars, or someone who marries a Thai, or even a teacher for that matter.

    In the end it’s got nothing to do with money or Thai’s hating us, it’s about your contribution. Do you think that renting an apartment and buying lunch is a contribution? I don’t. Try putting yourself in a Thai persons shoes. What requirements would you like to have on immigrants or do you really think if you were Thai that anyone with a laptop should be able to come live here indefinitely?

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    • Chris, I totally agree with your concerns and every bit you is true and there’s no place for digital nomads working freely without a legal permit anywhere except in his own country. That’s a valid agreement since you must contribute something to the Thai society (either financially or giving free education/contribute to research publications [and have the capacity to pay 800-900 baht per day on accommodation and another 500 baht on food etc.]) and by no other means you can claim yourself to be contributing to Thailand.

      Getting a visa doesn’t mean you’ll live forever or have got the ticket to live as long as you like by tricking the system and contributing virtually nothing back to the Thai society. Well, if you may actually contribute to the Thai society on short term stay to afford splurge hotels and spend lavishly in food and shopping (at least you should be able to pay 800-900 baht per day on hotels and another 500 baht on food), in a way you are helping the Thai economy. Not like those vagabonds who call themselves digital nomads and stay in filthy crap, cheap places paying 200-300 baht per day on accommodation and living on a paltry 100-150 baht for food that’s a big joke in the name of contribution to the Thai economy.

      Tourists have no right to be a burden on the Thai economy, or on any country thereof, and rules are rules if go by laws if you really need to stay for a long term. Clean the country and make rules tougher for digital nomads and vagabonds.

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      • Do I contribute more to Thailand by staying in an apartment with Thai people for 3500 baht per month, funnelling money into a middle class family and eating at restaurants ran by lower class people, or do I contribute to Thailand by spending 800 a night through a pre-booked China-owned travel agency to stay at a luxury resort owned by gangsters who drive around “super bikes” and peddle in the skin trade?

        You’ve put too much of blame on the end-user. Interesting that the previous post compared the skin trade to the economic impact of digital nomads. I’d like that comparison, if it actually contributed to the conversation rather than only revealing quite a lot about the author.

        Further, if a “digital nomad” is simply someone who has taken their home job on the road with them, their impact is spread internationally and you can’t say they’ve “taken” anyone’s job as if there was some kind of slot with “Bob the software engineer” written on it. That job was created, not taken. No Thai person would have stepped into that role. I personally dislike the word “digital nomad”, but what you are describing is a caricature, something overstated and unrealistic. You have created an enemy when there was none.

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    • I’m confused here, isn’t Chris a blogger over at LivingThai and selling various ebooks / monetized areas of his site that relate to working online, how to be a digital nomad, etc.? And doesn’t theThailandlife do similar things?

      What I mean is, are these two bloggers are effectively working online, yet telling others not to? Seems strange.

      Not that I care if they’re working, I’m also a blogger. But are you removing having a monetized blog from the argument?

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  15. I said, “uncertainty is in the air”, as in for the online community.

    Regardless of the arrests today, or lack of arrests generally, there are still no legal guidelines to covering this kind of work in Thailand – only an antiquated law that doesn’t cover the modern location-independent way of working. I therefore suggest it is you who “just doesn’t get it”.

    I’m not concerned with ED visas – not sure why you mentioned that – but as you well know there are many reports of ED entries being refused on the basis that the holder can’t speak conversational Thai after going to school for 2+ years. It might not happen that often, but does so during crackdown periods.

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  16. Everything seems pretty up in the air right now. I think anyone who claims to know how the chips will fall is full of it. It’s pretty likely that everything will calm down and settle back to normal, but it’s definitely not a sure thing. I agree that it would be nice if there was a work permit available for this type of work. Not everyone lives or wants to live in Chiang Mai or another location with a government approved language school. A little bit of certainty would be a nice thing.

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  17. Yup. We own a guesthouse in chiang mai also. We collect the details from customers and write it in a book. Immigration comes and collects that information thats been going on for 9 years at least. If u have a private residence your supposed to do it. Technically u can stay overnight in a place without reporting but the law is open to interpretation.

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  18. I hear that, Chris. I’ve been living here 6 years like you, and have always been aware of this law, but never seen it enforced. The news is that it is to be strictly enforced going forward.

    But how about reporting a change of address to immigration if you stay away from your residence for longer than 24 hours? I know this is slightly off topic, but perhaps you could get some clarification from the Police you work with.

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  19. Sorry, that should have read 20%, not 30.

    I hear what you’re saying but looking at the law we do all need a permit, but there isn’t one that suits what we do.

    In fact if you read the wording, any work, whether you get money for it or not is illegal. If they really wanted to they could clamp down on everyone. But wouldn’t it be better for them to regulate it and make good money?

    Sure, not everyone wants to go this route, but those who want to stay here long term would like to.

    There are literally thousands of guys n gals working online here in BKK, i can’t imagine they will allow this to keep growing without proper regulation. Plus they’d be silly not to cash in on it.

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    • Yeah I don’t have an opinion on ways the Thai government can get more money out of me, in fact i’d rather spend my time thinking of ways I can pay less.

      Why do you want a new rule? Because you’re afraid of getting caught “working online” because of the 0 cases ever reported of someone getting arrested without a work permit for working online?

      People are overly paranoid and you’re talking about a future that does not yet exist. Cross that bridge when/if it comes but for now there is no reason to keep looking over your shoulder while you pump out work sipping lattes in starbucks.

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      • The issue isn’t necessarily that people will be caught in my opinion, rather the other angle that visa regulations will get tighter and tighter until it’s damn near impossible to get one.

        Border running is already dead, as are back to back tourist visas – anyone want to bet that ED visas won’t be next. A friend of mine was stopped at Suvarnabhumi on his way back in a few weeks ago and made to prove he could write Thai.

        There’s always the Elite visa but at 500,000 thb for the basic version (for a 5 year visa) it’s quite high risk for a country known to change rules with little warning (or compensation)

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        • We’re already seeing evidence of tighter regulations after yesterday’s announcement that if a foreigner spends 24 hours or more at any address other than the one stated on the arrival form, he/she must report to immigration and notify them of the address. Also being enforced (starting in Hua Hin) is the requirement of carrying a passport, copy (must be certified by immigration) or Thai driver’s licence or receive an on the spot 2,000 Baht fine.

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          • That’s been the law at least for the last 6 years I’ve been living here nothing new here maybe you just learned about it. And it’s not 2000 baht that’s the maximum fine that they can charge you with they can actually just detain you if you have no idea that sounds worse than a 2000 baht fine but it’s funny no one is explaining this instead just regurgitating things that hear from thai visa. As evidence of their recent clarification email which disputes your claim that you need a certified copy of your passport. I don’t need to read thai visa to know this because I work directly with the police.

            Get a drivers license problem solved. There’s plenty of ways to get an ED visa and it doesn’t mean just Thai language. I have no doubt either of you have been affected in the slightest and speculation of tightening down on things that may affect us is just that pure speculation.

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  20. Chris, If anything this is progressive thinking.

    There’s over 150 affiliates in our BKK Skype group, and the majority would love to see an option to be able to work legally online in Thailand. Many of us would also rather pay tax here at 30 percent or whatever than the 45% we pay back home.

    With all this visa crackdown stuff going on I’d personally like a more solid arrangement for my situation.

    This is a conversation that needs to be had.

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    • If you have your business setup in a place where you pay 45% then instead of asking questions about Thailand’s immigration in your Skype group you should be asking questions on how to setup your business in a place where you’re not paying 45%, geez what group is this man I refuse to believe there is 150 smart people on your Skype group that all want to pay 30% of their income to the Thai government or any government for that matter. That’s ridiculous.

      Tell you what give me 10% of your income and i’ll set it up LEGALLY so that you’re not paying even 15% in taxes. You won’t have a work permit in Thailand but like I’ve already stated, you don’t need one.

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      • i am looking to move to thailand from dubai and will like to set up a branch of my company in thailand .please advice .

        how can i set it up legally ?

        also bangkok seems expensive , please advice on cheaper islands besides chiang mai .

        thankss

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        • If you have been living in Dubai, you will find Bangkok pretty cheap. Chiang Mai is not an island, but it is an good alternative to Bangkok in that it is quieter, less polluted and surrounded by great countryside.

          That said in terms of doing business, I would have thought you’d want to be based in Bangkok to make it easier for meetings and networking.

          To set up a company in Thailand, you need to employ a quota of Thai workers; I believe it’s four Thais for every foreign employee. You also need working capital of 2 million Baht, although I am told there are ways around this. It really is best to seek proper legal advice, as although the rules are clear, a lawyer can advise on potential work arounds for your specific situation.

          All the best.

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  21. Dude you are so out of touch.

    “The fact is, new legislation needs to be put in place, with a special work permit developed for those working online. The current law then needs to be amended to include an exception for those needing to send urgent work emails while on holiday.”

    That’s a fact is it? We need a work permit for people to work online. And so how do you propose that is taxed? a yearly fee for everyone? 555 Do you know what money laundering is?

    There’s only 2.5million taxpayers in Thailand……yeah they own 80% of the wealth!

    I suppose you wanna tax all these people barely getting by on less than 15k a month too.

    Oh and no one is spending tax payers money investigating people working online, no one, nowhere, where’s your evidence of that? it’s never happened and i’m certain never will, I think your paranoid, you think immigration is going to come knocking on your door to check your computer to see if you made an email to a client, please it’ll never happen, ever!!!! The current legislation is written broadly so it can be up to the court to decide and for good reason I won’t tell you why cause you probably won’t understand.

    Everyone should contact a lawyer about it for what? God I hope no one reads this and follows your advice and wastes their time.

    My advice; Have a valid visa to be in Thailand, tourist, married whatever. Enjoy your time and what you do online is your business.

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    • Out of touch?
      This is a currently being discussed by the authorities. So I’d say it’s pretty current.
      Not to mention that there has been an exponential rise in the number of affiliate marketers, developers, bloggers, start-ups, etc, basing themselves in Thailand in the last 18 months.

      Money laundering?
      Those who want to launder money aren’t sitting around waiting to be able to get some sort of sole trader work permit in Thailand. What’s your point here?

      If there were a new work permit specifically developed for the thousands of people working online, of course taxation would be a consideration. I am not proposing any specific guidelines, merely highlighting the fact that the current law is too restrictive and antiquated. I don’t see why paying tax would be an issue.

      If you read the post in full, you’ll see the lawyer’s response from a 4 years ago on this topic. Considering people are being nabbed left, right and centre at the moment for working illegally and being on the wrong visa, I’d say it’s a pretty good idea to seek free legal advice. That way, if a problem arises, you have proof that you have actively tried to be legal.

      Lastly, no, I don’t want to tax anyone earning a low salary in Thailand. If anything tax the super rich more. I was merely pointing out that the government/NCPO are missing a good opportunity here.

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      • I did read the entire article, actually I read all your articles but this is wrong info dude. The whole article was talking about people working online, and you claim people are being nabbed left right and center? That’s not true at all and it’ll never happen. Just like any other country in the world Immigration here only work at the border or on complaints. They can go catch someone playing a guitar in a bar, working in a hotel or anywhere they have jurisdiction to go to collect evidence. But they do not have any rights or even the inclination to come to your house and check your computer to see if you’ve been playing poker online or setting up a site for a client (actually the military could but chances of that <0.0000001%). It'll never happen, if it does then you can come back here tell me I don't know what i'm talking about.

        Let's put this into perspective shall we.

        my main site subject (Thailand) similar to this one gets 190,000 visitors a month. Half of which are Thai people. I have my photo on it. I can't go anywhere in this city without people recognizing me. People have sent letters to the police & immigration telling them I work illegally and other horrible things I don't care to mention. I've been on an ED visa for 6 years. If they wanted to catch me working illegally all they would have to do is go to the main police station where I volunteer doing translations exerting effort and clearly breaking the law as it's written.

        Money laundering is tax evasion. If I had a permit that allowed me to be a sole trader in Thailand without any investment this would allow me to avoid paying any taxes at all. Honestly dude I've never heard of anything like what you proposed anywhere in the world, it just doesn't make sense and yes you proposed it with a special work permit for those working online.

        Listen to the lawyers advice you got years ago, keep things to yourself a valid visa for living here and you'll never have a problem.

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        • If you’ve been following recent events, you’ll know that there’s a clamp down on anyone working illegally. I didn’t say this included those working online, but the net could and probably will be widened one day. I’m simply highlighting that since the NCPO is reorganizing much of the country, including visa issues, it would be a good chance to address this.

          Moreover, you might be happy with your situation, but there are plenty of others who aren’t, and would like to see suitable regulation for their type of work.

          I’m shocked that you haven’t heard of anything proposed like this before. I know a lot of guys here who have moved their businesses offshore to countries where they pay minimal tax, so why wouldn’t Thailand cash in on this by offering a legal option to digital nomads?

          I’m not saying I have all the answers, or even proposing the guidelines. This post is simply a guide to help others understand the law and where they stand.

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          • If I have to start paying taxes – in addition to the property and village taxes I already pay and whatever else – and/or get a work permit – which is cost prohibitive – and pay/or pay my lawyer – and or pay some under the table money with a bottle of Johnny Walker Black – for doing a little online work – and/or free volunteer work to help poor hill tribe peoples – which doesn’t even involve Thailand, and moneys deposited in a foreign country and account, well, hell… it’s time to find another country to live in.

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        • I’ll say it Chris, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!

          Just like any other country in the world Immigration here only work at the border or on complaints. They can go catch someone playing a guitar in a bar, working in a hotel or anywhere they have jurisdiction to go to collect evidence. But they do not have any rights or even the inclination to come to your house and check your computer to see if you’ve been playing poker online or setting up a site for a client (actually the military could but chances of that <0.0000001%). It'll never happen, if it does then you can come back here tell me I don't know what i'm talking about.

          In nearly every ‘civilised’ country the Departments that manage the Customs, Excise and Immigration Laws have a degree of power above and beyond civil law enforcement, and Thailand is no different. The Immigration Bureau does not simply operate at the border, far from it, they work with the Customs Department and the Department of Special Investigation wherein they are also granted special powers of investigation that include the ability to monitor online activities of individuals and business suspected of illegal activities.

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